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Old 04-08-2013, 06:59 PM
JRRayder JRRayder is offline
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Exclamation 12th Century Chat in a 21st Century World

Before this all gets any more out of hand. Let me review what is and isn’t appropriate in the context of DAWland chat. And to be clear – to allow players to play an in-game persona that fits the 12th Century, some topics and words may be “offensive” by modern standards of political correctness but perfectly fine in an in-game in-period use.

What Will Get You Banned…

I am generally on the lookout for topics (things that are illegal in any century) and words that are inappropriate (beyond U.S. PG). I watch for multi-accounting and attempts to hack the game. But at the end of the day - this is a WAR game and it is set in the 12th Century.

What is “appropriate” but may be distasteful to some…

Bluster, in-game threats, somewhat crude topics and words can be part of the in-game persona people play to help them become part of the era of the 12th Century. Over the past two weeks I have received countless e-mails about tasteless comments, “sexist” chatter and heaven forbid – Player-vs-player attacks ;-) I investigate every one of them but I am NOT a mind-reader. I cannot know if someone is being a troll, is just trying to mess with people in chat OR is playing a persona. And neither can any of you!

In the old days if you didn't like what someone said in chat - you took note and unloaded an army on them at your earliest opportunity.

Some Other Questions That Came Up in Chat Today…

Goodtimes: I truely believe there is no reason to ever name call. That erks me the most, is name calling

jemma: if a persona chat is found offensive by another then shurley it need
investigating regardless what your personal thoughts are .. a name is offensive in some country but not another

JRRayder: and yet - name calling and bluster were part of the things that set off a good many 12th century battles

JRRayder: jemma - i do look at every complaint

Zany_J: now it's becoming a lil complicated

JRRayder: but a name that doesn't get caught by the language scanners is probably US PG appropriate

JRRayder: i am ASKING for a modicum of understanding that offense has to be intended and taken

JRRayder: and that is my point - I'm done ;-)

Zany_J: But JR how about those female players who aren't use to this kind of offensive languages?

JRRayder: let's put two words out here for the world to respond to

JRRayder: "wench"

EmpireofArnor: well thats just like the other day someone took ref. to the term wench I used in a post

jemma: im a female player and game chat does not offend me within reason plus i sure as darn can give it back but prsonal attacks are forbidden

Goodtimes: key word for evil womenof the time period would be "witch" which could be offensive to some

EmpireofArnor: I used it in a rp issue pondering where the wench is that was suppose to bring me my meade and roasted turkey leg

JRRayder: that was my second word ;-) sic [witch]

Jube: I want JRR's job.......NOT!!!!!

Zany_J: true Jube... tough!

Lumins01: depends on how they are used as to how they are taken lol

EmpireofArnor: wasnt ref. anyone and boy did that get hammered *LOL*

JRRayder: i can't possibly react every time someone uses the term "wench" or "witch" and there are thousands of other topics and terms that I can’t respond to in ANY way. And yet someone might still take “offense”. Slaughter of horses, mire in the moat, medieval illnesses and cures, dungeons, serfdom… need I go on…

Summing It Up…

I can’t possibly “police” the chat to the extent that I keep others from being offended. Nor could any number of additional moderators keep the peace in a situation where people are intending to offend OR intending to be offended. If the standards of 21st Century political correctness are to be applied strictly to personas and role-play within the DAW chat then the chat will just die. I am putting this in the public forums and I expect it will be a lightning rod for many replies. But I also hope it helps you understand why I take action and often don’t take action when “complaints” are sent my way.

Regards, JR – Game Moderator
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:21 PM
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Example:

Inappropriate:
Asking a woman her real life physical details.

Appropriate:
Calling a woman a wench or a witch or lass.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:22 PM
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Very well put and placed within what is and isn't. People need to stop and think before going on a rant of what is or isn't. This is a game of various age groups, different nationalitys, as adults and even minors who play here in DaW they should know what is or isn't appropriate.
When it comes to politically correctness, there was none in the medieval world back then and this game is set in that time period. It is a shame that people have to bring new age antics to old world play and style of what it was back then. Heads rolled for the simplest of things back then, where today, that would be seen as cruel and just wouldn't be tolerated. Even in the renfest festivals, if you ever been to one, they are set in medieval times and acted out in medieval times. Thats the way this should be set within your mind frame as this isnt the new world.
Thanks for all the hard work you put forth JR.

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Old 04-08-2013, 10:43 PM
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Very well put JR
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:32 AM
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ThankYou for clearing this up...i see you never mentioned the talk of other games here...that is a topic that rattles my chains..i find it most distasteful to come on a game and chat about another...just saying
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:24 PM
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As a historian, and anthropologist, I am well aware that in the 12th century that things were not as they are today BUT....the chat you post goes out to 21st century beings with a 21st century mind set and that must be accounted for in your comments. Also, if you irritate or anger a person with rude or offensive behavior in your comments....please do not whine when they come after you...and they will. Your actions have repercussions no matter the century.

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Old 04-11-2013, 02:48 AM
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think i must agree with litho on this one. if another player finds it offensive or threatening can not be surprised when someone considers it so. it is all based on perspective and mine may be different than yours on any given day. trying to avoid issues in open chat is easy. consider lurking if you find yourself defending your perspective in open chat or use your opinions in private. just saying!
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:13 AM
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Because I think it needs to be repeated... Please pay close attention to Paragraph 3 as well as the very last closing paragraph in JR's original post at the top. Not all topics are going to be agreeable to all people. With as large and diverse a group as we have, it's nearly impossible to eliminate ALL potentially 'offensive' subjects from chat. We'd be left with little more than "Hello" that is safe to say if we did.

That said, if something DOES truly offend you and you find yourself full of moral outrage, check back here and look at JR's post and see if it really does fall under "reportable" or if it's something that is acceptable according to the above outline.
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In addition to JR's well-written post, I'd like to add the following:

A Few Words Regarding Bullying & Button-Pushing

The game rules specifically state that there is no limit to how many times or how often one player may attack another player's city(ies). Taunting your opponent in chat is also a big part of this game, and that's okay. That said...

It is never okay to bully another player in chat, gang up on them in a mob, and/or deliberately push their buttons until they break the rules out of frustration and anger. Period. Anyone caught doing so will share in the fate of their victim. Show some restraint and courtesy for the rest of the chatters.

In addition, if JR or myself request you stand down and cease said behavior, have enough respect for us to do so immediately and not exacerbate the situation further by insisting on getting the last 'zinger' in. We need you ALL to act responsibly and not make an explosive situation worse. We need the time to be able to sort a problem and work on a resolution without reaching for the Ban Hammer (or, in my case, Skillet). If someone insists on making our jobs harder, they will find they don't enjoy the outcome.

On the flip side of this issue... Someone taunts you in chat and you don't like it? Refer to JR's original post and decide if it falls into the 'Reportable' category. If it does, report and walk away. Close the chat window for a bit, or hang out in alliance chat. But don't react in a manner that could lead to your banning. If it doesn't fall into the 'Reportable' Category... Simply ignore it and move on to alliance chat or close the chat window. But, again, do not react in a manner that breaks the chat rules and gets you banned.

I hope this clears a few things up.

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